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Survey: What would YOU offer? Expand / Collapse
If a website offering a service you wanted to use asked for geographical information from you (ie,...
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Yes I would offer my physical address
 
19.23%
5
No I would not offer my physical address
 
50%
13
I would probably enter a different address than my own
 
30.77%
8
Member Votes: 26, Anonymous Votes: 0. You don't have permission to vote within this poll.
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Posted 1/19/2009 10:54:09 AM
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So here's the premise: a well recognized online company/website (let's say Microsoft, or Google, or Macintosh, etc) is trying to create a service that requires geographical information to function properly.

The information they ask you for to begin with is just your zip code.

For more advanced features of the site to work, you need to type in your street address (this is sort of your "home base"). The website states (and offers a Terms of Agreement that makes the same claim) that they will NOT STORE YOUR ADDRESS anywhere on their website, in their offices, etc. They say that what they do is instead fudge your entered address to an "approximated" address which they will store. This way, they don't expose your home address to anyone with prying eyes, but they can still offer the service to you and it will work reasonably well.


The question is this:

If a website said that they would not store your actual home address, and indeed made public the computer code that their website used to prove they didn't store it, and the service they were offering was one that you wanted, would you enter the information?

(...and in case you're wondering: no, The Pork isn't thinking about asking for your home addresses. This is a survey in regards to feelings of trust on the internet, and information transparency.)



-CM
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Posted 1/19/2009 10:58:13 AM
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no...I am a techi idiot....and until I am told otherwise, I'll assume any information I give could fall into the wrong hands. Better safe than sorry right? 's'

I think I would probably speak to friends in the know and give it a little time, do some research to see if anyone has pointed out a breach of information.....then, I may.

But initially, no...I wouldn't tell a soul 's'
Post #873501
Posted 1/20/2009 7:20:38 AM
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Not only no but Hell no. Every security "certificate" can easily be spoofed if not outright fabricated. (See 2007 and Verisign).

Further, TOS verbiage is often boilerplate and most companies go out of their way to find some way to sell your data as part of a metrics package.

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Post #873596
Posted 1/20/2009 3:32:30 PM


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Nope. Wouldn't do it. But, I'm crazy private Girl -L-

I'm not overly tech savvy, but I can't help but wonder how this would work.

Would it not HAVE to redirect it to a nearby real address? In most metropolitan
areas, so much as crossing a street changes a socioeconomic classification.

There are parts of My county that are affluent and others that are far from, so won't
this program have to find a real address to keep the information or services meaningful
to Me?

I suppose I don't understand how the service can be useful if it is not specific enough.
And as I am ridiculously private, I wouldn't give the information out.
Post #873635
Posted 1/22/2009 7:43:27 AM


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I really don't care if they DO have my home address. And I know they could look up my name by reverse lookup on the address.

So what?! My name and address are probably in so many databases out there that another list probably doesn't make a hoot's difference anyhow.

If it's a question about 'do I trust that they would keep the information private?', that would very much depend on the organization asking for the info. For instance, I'd say yes to a bank and perhaps Microsoft, but no to Yahoo. Subjective and arguable, but it just 'depends'.

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Posted 1/22/2009 11:09:36 AM
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Out of curiosity, does anyone who answers "No, I would not give my personal address" make purchases online with, say, a credit card?

-CM
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Posted 1/22/2009 4:36:59 PM
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I voted 'No'. 99% of the purchases I make online are work related, as in products bought through a supplier. I place the order online, they have my bank account details at the office level and they process the payment that way. The other few purchases I make online have only been with Amazon and the Pork, I think. Everything else is good old fashioned traipsing around stores to buy my stuff 's'


I also use credit cards which offer protection for misuse of my account if via an online purchase.

I'm pretty sure its not failsafe, but I try to limit what I put out online. Just as I shred all my paperwork, bank statements etc. Nothing goes in my trash that can be used by someone else. Id theft is the thing that bothers me more
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Posted 1/23/2009 3:18:55 PM
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So, daisy, you use your credit card online for The Pork... and I assume you realize that means that the merchant (ie, Lee) could theoretically access your billing address if necessary.

So basically, if it's a service you're wiling to pay for online, you should also be willing to provide said service with geographicaly identifying information, right?

-CM
Post #874043
Posted 1/23/2009 6:16:09 PM
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I guess for me the question is why the well respected company would need my zip code and then my address, if its then only to fudge and put in an approximate address. Maybe the issue for me is that our 'zip codes', which we call post codes, will literally cover a geographic area of a UK sized street. Your zip codes can cover entire towns right? Or certainly a far larger area. So when you posed your original question, in my opinion, my post code should be sufficient information for any geographical based service. To know my actual house number would be unecessary unless when opening an account with a company/bank etc. To put it in perspective, one of our average streets would have a hundred to two hundred houses on it max (unless living in large cities with uber number of flats and appartments on it). My parents street has 16 houses on it, mine has 102.

I accept that for things like memberships such as with the Pork, I have to trust Lee wouldn't misuse the information he has access to or could access. But the same can be said for my local dvd store, they have much of the same information on file. There has t be an element of trust involved these days.

I think what I was trying to get at is that I give out the information when I feel it has to be given. If I am unsure why they need that information, or it doesn't seem pertinent to the issue, I would always say no. Or like I said, I would speak to someone with the right background and ask why.

Like the example SP brought up....they're are shit loads of people that fell to the 'African' scam with the 'please give my your bank details, I will tranfers $1million to it and you get to keep $20,000 as a thank you'

We had several cases in the UK last year where the entire database of people with children uder 16, their names, national insurance numbers, child tax credit numbers, addresses, ages and sex....was copied onto disk and then misplaced....twice. Somewhere out there, is alot of information for a prospective crook to use.

So I guess even if you lock yourself up and never touch a pc, your information is never totally safe....but I guess I've always felt its best to hold back information when in doubt or you can't see the need for that information.

Unless Batman asked for it, of course 'g'


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Posted 1/23/2009 7:00:40 PM


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Err No not exactly
Just to dispel a few myths about online purchases over the internet.
There are two main authentication procedures for online transaction processing.

1 AVS (Address Verification System) This way the card purchase is verified by matching it to the registered billing address of the card. Problems can occur when ordering for delivery to another address (some retailers will not do this to avoid any form of fraud)

2: CVV (Card Verification Value) this is also known under different names such as CSC and CVC. This is the three digit code on the back of the credit card that will verify that the customer has the card in their possession when making the purchase.

That and the process that takes place to authorize the transaction should suffice as the authorization process involves the merchant sending this information to his acquiring bank which will then query the bank that issued the card to ensure that the details are correct and that enough funds (or credit) are available for the purchase. Once this is checked then an authorization code (or a decline)is sent back across via the acquirer to the merchant to approve the purchase (it takes milliseconds for the whole process)

Here are a couple of extra pointers you can be on the lookout for

First off any online transaction for payment should always be made via some form of a “socket layer.”
The newest type is called TLS (Transport Layer Security) as the old SSL system (Secure Socket Layer) was flawed.
If the site you are on doesn’t have an SSL connection (HTTPS shows in the address bar signifying that the connection is secure) then don’t go ahead!)

Secondly there are several online protection systems in use by the major card schemes such as 3D Secure (MasterCard) and Verified by Visa (Visa) that use a secondary system where the customer registers a security code which is used during the transaction to verify that they are in fact the person who owns the card. These give more peace of mind to the customer when making online transactions but only work properly of you actually go through the process of registering for them and the merchant you use is also signed up for it
Never use a public computer for making purchases - (too many keyloggers about!)
Never give out your personal details to any web site when making purchases, if you are suspicious then call them up and ask them why it’s required - if you don’t get a satisfactory answer then think twice about making that purchase

Asking for address details or approximate locations has no bearing on a transaction working especially if they are going to *fudge* the details, the only reason I can think of is for sales / users visiting that particular site and demographic/site traffic purposes.
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