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Kate.....excellent question.....
I agree with Raz....cheating is a physical..mental and emotional thing.....
and Lara....your a wise woman....well said...~+smiles and nods respect+~
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*pops in for a quickie*
Uhh...~freesia~
I'd love to have a date with ya when you have some *free* time!...*slurp*
It's been AGES sexy!...*drizzles My drool all over her neck then sneaks out fast*
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It's amazing the responses you get to anything that pertains to guilt. Spirit guides, legalism, pragmatism...even random lesbian drooling...quite amazing.
Your view on adultery and marriage have to intertwined. If marriage is nothing more than a temporary lease agreement, than online adultery is nothing more than mental circle jerking.
If marriage means more than a lease agreement that can be dissolved by a $30 piece of software from Staples, than adultery, lust and just plain dishonesty are essentially all the same. Lust, deception and dishonesty will essentially lead to the same place anyway.
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The depravity of man is at once the most unpopular of the Christian doctrines and yet the most empirically verifiable. - Malcolm Muggeridge
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Hmm. Really thinking about it now I guess I've come to this standpoint. I'm not a religious person in the least. I'm going to have to say since there are many people these days who aren't religious, that being none religious is the 'religion' we've practiced. If you're still with me, then I'll expand on the issue in regards to my agnosticism, as it too can be considered a religion.
Adultery online is hard to actually committ given it's done over text and possibly over voice chat. However, the idea and thought that you're 'cybering' with someone could be considered cheating. How you shold take that as a religion is developed solely on a case to case basis. In some religions, 'adultery' is normal and nearly expected. Muslims believe in polygamy. One man to many wives.
Pinpointing on if adultery is moral or not in regards to religion I feel, could never possibly be answered. But to finish prattling and actually say something, I'm going to have to say that the feeling of hurting your spouse is there. If as you've said, it's hiding something, then even if it's not technically 'adultery', it's still the thought that counts. Personally if I were to discover that my significant other (since marriage is not the only basis for 'adultery'.) I would be quite upset and might consider ending our relationship given the severity of the secrecy.
This doesn't mean you cannot love more than one person. For some people they function better in a polygamist or trigamist relationship. If your love is for more than one person, then honesty and openess of that love should be communicated and distrubeted evenly through the people(s) involved. If you're still with me, then allow me to continue on.
What should our stance be, you ask? Well, it's easy. Take the stance you feel is right. You are your own person and your view no matter how protocol or unique, is still your personal view. Your stance should be that of what you believe. Support or against, it's all in your own person. As part of an 'evolving' technology however, I'm going to have to say that I feel nothing has changed. It's another media to create dishonesty and lies. If you're hiding the information from someone, it's the same as offline.
Same concept, just different medias. There no 'evolving' about it. It's simply another way for people to be dishonest and hurtful to each other.
Legal? Religion? I'm of the belief in separation of church and state. 'Marriage' is much more than a little piece of paper that says so. There are some people who stay together as a couple all of their lives and yet to not 'legally' get married. I believe those couples were already married in the traditional sense. Legalities do not equal justification when it comes to religion. Therfor, this question is basically a mute point. Religion and law are two entirely different things. It's like trying to compare an apple to a banana. It just doesn't work.
Overall, adultery is a subject that cannot properly be discussed as too many people will have too many 'religious' standpoints and thus a general answer will never properly be conceived. Just as someone else may believe it's not a sin at all to 'committ' online adultery, others as stated in the thirty percent of divorce cases could say otherwise.This message was edited by Scout~Rath on 1-17-07 @ 1:46 PM
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And it's even MORE amazing to see how many new nicks pop up when a thread of this nature comes along!...*flings out one oink from the LESBO...laughs heartedly then skips off to play with a pink taco*
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hm... from how I see it.
looking, thinking, and feeling (only) are different truly from the actual 'action' of going out and getting down'n'dirty with that person
...as thus, should that never occur. I'll hafta side and stand with... *3-second snap decision*
nope, it isn't. I suppose I go against the grain.
but it's mostly because, you couldn't convict an individual of a crime
...based merely, on the above 3 things (thoughts, feelings, or that they saw an opportunity/opening where they could have but never took the opportunity)
unless the fourth is applied ...where they actually go out and rob or murder someone.
the only part I agree about slightly
is hiding such, but then again.
I suppose that depends on the situation your in.
"Silence is the virtue of fools." -Francis Bacon
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Forgetting that the "adultery" here has not been defined... I will say that I know something about "online adultery"
and cuz I am VERRRRY smart .. *thumps chest* ... I will tell you all that... In regard to married or otherwise "committed" people...
1. It is wrong to do something that you have vowed or pledged or even indicated to another.... that you would NOT do
2. Though you may be footloose and fancy free .... it is wrong to entice.... or enable others to do something that THEY have pledged, vowed, or indicated they would not be doing... even though you think that is THEIR choice. you cannot evade your reponsibility to act right
3. If you would not have the ONE you care about do it ... and you do do it .... that is damn wrong too
and one of the reasons why all of the above is wrong for any of us to do .... is that it BREAKS TRUST. As a people... we have to have trust and know we can rely on it.
and the second reason is is that it LESSENS us.
Now... for the non married and non committed people ... I say:
If the people involved are not so committed.... the "online" part comes into play.
Because "online" is NOT really real .... til you meet and all the senses can work.
If it is not "real" ....it reverts to fantasy .... which nice as it can be ... brings along with it the threat of delusion. Self delusion is NOT a good thing. If we let ourselves be deluded it is worse. Because we give up.
In"online adultery" both types of delusions are working.
And the teachings of most religions ... stem from these things.
and so .... there you all have my views
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It's been said already but I just wanted to add my agreement. I don't think that adultery is just physical. I think if you have a person that you love and you tell that person that you love them, you should be devoted to that person. If you see yourself slipping into a romantic-type relationship with someone online then that is adultery. Jake~
Jake~
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intresting read~
good one Kate
slobbers
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taken1 wrote:
""Forgetting that the "adultery" here has not been defined... I will say that I know something about "online adultery"
and cuz I am VERRRRY smart .. *thumps chest* ... I will tell you all that... In regard to married or otherwise "committed" people...
1. It is wrong to do something that you have vowed or pledged or even indicated to another.... that you would NOT do
2. Though you may be footloose and fancy free .... it is wrong to entice.... or enable others to do something that THEY have pledged, vowed, or indicated they would not be doing... even though you think that is THEIR choice. you cannot evade your reponsibility to act right
3. If you would not have the ONE you care about do it ... and you do do it .... that is damn wrong too
and one of the reasons why all of the above is wrong for any of us to do .... is that it BREAKS TRUST. As a people... we have to have trust and know we can rely on it.
and the second reason is is that it LESSENS us.
Now... for the non married and non committed people ... I say:
If the people involved are not so committed.... the "online" part comes into play.
Because "online" is NOT really real .... til you meet and all the senses can work.
If it is not "real" ....it reverts to fantasy .... which nice as it can be ... brings along with it the threat of delusion. Self delusion is NOT a good thing. If we let ourselves be deluded it is worse. Because we give up.
In"online adultery" both types of delusions are working.
And the teachings of most religions ... stem from these things.
and so .... there you all have my views""
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My reply:
BRAVO! I agree with him almost to the word with this. However I do have to say a few things here. I am not unfamilar with the "online" relationship thing. I have done it once or twice (but not more than that I assure you) I think now that it is pretty goddamn silly to be involved with someone only online. Get off that chair and got to the bar if you must... you can type the things you want to say people but you can't say them face to face? I say that makes a coward. Anything I say to anyone in this place you can damn well bet you bottom dollar I would say it to your face. Believe that as the gospel truth.
While we are on the subject of "gospel" or religion...
I am a Wiccan, many know this, and in Wiccan "marriages (we call them handfastings, but that's not the point here) they last only as long as the love lasts. So could a Wiccan "marriage" last in the case of "online adultery" (which is a term I think is silly as it is). Of course it could, if both knew and accepted it. HOWEVER I have to agree with taken1.... if the TRUST is broken... then it is all over.
Think about this... if your significant other has to come online to get something he or she is lacking from your relationship, then doesn't it stand to reason that there is a PROBLEM? And who's fault is that problem? Theirs because they cheated? Or yours because you didn't recognize that there was a problem and you stuck your head in the sand? Or does it account to both because there was no communication about the problem?
I am married, and very happy with My wife. I don't come here to cheat, or have online affairs or anything of that silly stuff. I come here for intelligent conversation, though many times I find Myself lacking that sadly enough...
I get offers all the time to "cyber" which is even more silly than anything I think, and I just tell them that I refuse to cyber... which I do...quite possibly one of the few men in the Pork that actually do...
So there you have My views on it...
~50% Monster~
~50% Saint~
~100% For Fucking Real~
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